Car thieves aren't deterred by the threat of jail. They don't expect to get caught, and they're usually right. The feds could do more effective things like get a handle on the port of Montreal, inspect outbound containers, and use some brainpower to break the supply chain of exported vehicles.
The Conservatives as usual are just trotting out the same nonsense they always have Trying the same old - same old "remedies" that have never worked, but give the appearance that they are doing something. They ignore the evidence, consult with no one and try to pass off simple minded diatribe as a solution.
The Conservatives are not interested in solving problems because without those problems they could not get elected. If they form government and introduce MMPs and if those MMPs are not over-turned by the courts, when they do not decrease crime the Conservatives will run the next election on a platform of increasing the MMPs and replacing those liberal, activist judges. It is a betrayal of Canadians, however, that the other parties are not aggressively attacking such Conservative nonsense and proposing and implementing real solutions. By their inaction they allow the extreme right-wing to take over.
Exactly. I heard about the situation at the ports, where policing is stretched impossibly thin, or doesn't exist at all. Security, yes, in the form of big fences and security checks, gates, etc. But policing is different. Most of the smuggling that gets through Canadian ports is because of internal operators working behind the security wall who are not thoroughly vetted in the first place, or are compromised by payouts. All this is going undetected because of lack of police resources. I guess I'm talking RCMP here, or is it the local police who are responsible for the port in their city?
Very good points by the professor, I didn’t think about that or all the nuances that come along with minimum sentences . Thank you for opening up my perspective on this . You should submit to the National Post for his disciples , er , I mean followers to read
Pardon me for looking always to a possible technocratic solution, but it strikes me as preposterous that modern cars should be utterly dependent on chips, be unable to come off the line for chip shortages recently, have 24" monitors for all the subsystems and a better entertainment system than my house had in 1999...and still be stolen, at all.
Where's the 12-character, capital letters and punctuation marks, password for the car?
Aside from the very valid points you make I would argue this - putting someone in jail is way more expensive than other ways of “punishing” offenders. Seems to me that if we did a true cost benefit analysis of this problem we would put more resources into crime prevention and all that entails rather than raging on about locking folks up and Mandatory Minimum Sentences, which as others have pointed out often get ruled unconstitutional - and how much does that process cost the taxpayer? Rant ended.
Sorry, gotta go with my gut on this one David. We know from the plethora of "no sentencing" prosecutors (particularly in the US) that "zero" doesn't work--no bail freedom and no sentencing mass theft have simply amplified societal disruption and widespread drug use and violence. So, "zero" doesn't work either.
However, our courts--and the law--have too many dreamers on the bench with widespread handwringing (similar to yours) that wants "desperation, poverty, and structural marginalization" to be an acceptable rationale for the pain of theft, murder, manslaughter and rape.
You want citizens to pick up the tab for "vehicles harder to steal" and public public staff for inspections. Sorry David, I do not have an alternative to mandatory minimums. But, if zero doesn't work...what does? I do know that taking these slugs off the streets reduces crime. I'm tired of "bad guy" anarchy.
Car thieves aren't deterred by the threat of jail. They don't expect to get caught, and they're usually right. The feds could do more effective things like get a handle on the port of Montreal, inspect outbound containers, and use some brainpower to break the supply chain of exported vehicles.
The Conservatives as usual are just trotting out the same nonsense they always have Trying the same old - same old "remedies" that have never worked, but give the appearance that they are doing something. They ignore the evidence, consult with no one and try to pass off simple minded diatribe as a solution.
The Conservatives are not interested in solving problems because without those problems they could not get elected. If they form government and introduce MMPs and if those MMPs are not over-turned by the courts, when they do not decrease crime the Conservatives will run the next election on a platform of increasing the MMPs and replacing those liberal, activist judges. It is a betrayal of Canadians, however, that the other parties are not aggressively attacking such Conservative nonsense and proposing and implementing real solutions. By their inaction they allow the extreme right-wing to take over.
Exactly. I heard about the situation at the ports, where policing is stretched impossibly thin, or doesn't exist at all. Security, yes, in the form of big fences and security checks, gates, etc. But policing is different. Most of the smuggling that gets through Canadian ports is because of internal operators working behind the security wall who are not thoroughly vetted in the first place, or are compromised by payouts. All this is going undetected because of lack of police resources. I guess I'm talking RCMP here, or is it the local police who are responsible for the port in their city?
People in jail generally are not out on the street stealing. Lock em up!!!!
Very good points by the professor, I didn’t think about that or all the nuances that come along with minimum sentences . Thank you for opening up my perspective on this . You should submit to the National Post for his disciples , er , I mean followers to read
Pardon me for looking always to a possible technocratic solution, but it strikes me as preposterous that modern cars should be utterly dependent on chips, be unable to come off the line for chip shortages recently, have 24" monitors for all the subsystems and a better entertainment system than my house had in 1999...and still be stolen, at all.
Where's the 12-character, capital letters and punctuation marks, password for the car?
I win. You lose. But thanks for your uninformed opinions.
Thanks for the article!
Aside from the very valid points you make I would argue this - putting someone in jail is way more expensive than other ways of “punishing” offenders. Seems to me that if we did a true cost benefit analysis of this problem we would put more resources into crime prevention and all that entails rather than raging on about locking folks up and Mandatory Minimum Sentences, which as others have pointed out often get ruled unconstitutional - and how much does that process cost the taxpayer? Rant ended.
Sorry, gotta go with my gut on this one David. We know from the plethora of "no sentencing" prosecutors (particularly in the US) that "zero" doesn't work--no bail freedom and no sentencing mass theft have simply amplified societal disruption and widespread drug use and violence. So, "zero" doesn't work either.
However, our courts--and the law--have too many dreamers on the bench with widespread handwringing (similar to yours) that wants "desperation, poverty, and structural marginalization" to be an acceptable rationale for the pain of theft, murder, manslaughter and rape.
You want citizens to pick up the tab for "vehicles harder to steal" and public public staff for inspections. Sorry David, I do not have an alternative to mandatory minimums. But, if zero doesn't work...what does? I do know that taking these slugs off the streets reduces crime. I'm tired of "bad guy" anarchy.